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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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willischer host and we have a long time

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friend uh decades long uh ufologist UFO

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researchers in the Chicago area Sam

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moranto he was actually one of the first

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guests that I had I don't know maybe 10

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or 20 in my show when I asked him on and

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we've been in touch ever since and he's

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a great guy looking forward to talking

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to him tonight our blog uh this week is

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uh another one in the uh the abduction

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researchers you know the type that type

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of theme that's uh one more coming up

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and uh that's by Charles Lear he does a

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a great job as always and this one in

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particular is about

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um Woods I'm trying to remember her

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first name

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um she was a Emma Woods uh the Emma

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Woods case very very famous

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anyway this is all about that and uh

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what people went through trying to

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investigate what she was uh talking

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about what happened to her uh back then

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so uh that's it for this week's Blog the

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audio blogs are put in every week so

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they're in the podcast feed and in the

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YouTube feed as well and thank you for

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Charles for that and uh he may be

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writing another book and uh I know that

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his first one uh a lot of people that

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listen to the show really enjoyed it a

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lot so uh we'll know more about that and

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that would be another year perhaps by

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the time he gets that done but anyway I

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want to thank everyone that helps

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support the show anyone can do that it's

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over at podcast ufo.com and I think I'm

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ready to bring in our guest we're going

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to be talking about all sorts of things

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Sam welcome to the show

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well it's a pleasure to be back and it's

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it's been too darn long my friend it's

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been too darn long we haven't even had a

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chance to talk I know I know in I

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remember you were at one time you were

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on like every other week for a while

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yeah seems like yeah I wasn't really

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that much but it was a lot you were on a

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lot and it's but it's always it's always

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fun to have you on and and uh we have

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you know it's it's funny uh the last few

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years we've seen so many changes and

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that's kind of what we want to you know

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we thought would be a good topic to

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touch on uh of course you know you you

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did a lot of great research over the

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years and we can touch on all that

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someone uh mentioned the O'Hare case uh

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2007 uh Gate C 17. I remember a little

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details about it but you look deeply

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into that and uh you know before we move

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on from that I I have said on this uh

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show before about that particular case

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where it seems to me that someone

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retired at this point and now with the

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stigma of UFOs being much less than it

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used to be and uh people are coming

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forward more and more I'm surprised

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nobody's talking about that have you

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heard anything

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yes I have strangely enough a couple

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years ago that way I've been about I'm

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trying to think here it had been about

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2018. uh I was speaking up north at a um

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before a group and a Gentleman pulled me

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aside afterwards and he says you know I

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was a manager uh that would handle

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luggage security

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Concourse C and B when I heard all this

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chatter

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so they were trying to rush through some

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uh some baggage and they needed to get

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it cleared so he was busy paying

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attention to that and he couldn't get up

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something different uh where he was able

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to talk to one of his friends was a

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manager on the B con course who was

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giving him uh the you know the the move

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by move uh what was going on up there he

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was saying it and and you know sure

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enough everything he was saying was

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played out exactly as other people

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Concourse and it shot up leaving the

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gaping hole in the sky as we've heard

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and as you recall my witness in

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particular was referred to as JH in the

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um technical report uh number 10 at the

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a narcap site she had mentioned that she

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had seen it shoot through the sky and

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when it done when it did that it was

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that little bit it was a a sharp angle

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little bit of an angle and that when it

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happened people were gasping and and

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startled uh screeching I think is one

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term she also used that people were so

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startled by that and it left left this

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gaping hole mind you this is 6 000 feet

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instantaneously to a blue sky above

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that list

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thing no and um William I'm confusing

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that with the Phoenix Lights

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um but I wonder how many people saw that

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point there were there was a um uh an

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individual who was flying in who made a

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Robert Powell and it was given to me and

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the husband it was the husband

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of a military personnel so he filed a

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report and they actually had seen

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now the other thing is there were other

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people there have been other people

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and uh a good friend of ours another

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person in the field is supposed to

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introduce me to some folks who are

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pilots that are are willing to come

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forward now and talk about that event

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they were warned by the way Pilots were

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warned that something was seen and that

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uh the format it did change and a

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warning went out so that did take place

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that object sat there for about 20

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seen by well over a hundred people so it

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does classify as the category that I

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FAA pardon me the employee here the FAA

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something in some right about that um

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an endangerment a life

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taken that more seriously I know they

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didn't want to talk about it

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going with the FAA yes I mean I would

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know there or there and that was their

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personnel and plane that was there going

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Extraterrestrial Airlines so I think

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that was one of the reasons it was a

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concern uh of just getting over one hump

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scenario but no I they're getting people

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to do that they're they're getting

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should I take that sure yes go ahead

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okay did each eyewitness on the ground

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individuals in that area and that wasn't

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the second course that was from the

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international Concourse that they were

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that my witness was seeing that but it

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had been confirmed by everybody that was

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watching it at that time that would have

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been able to see that so this wasn't

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military brat her father was a uh a

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captain of a helicopter

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very good explaining stuff uh as far as

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the detail uh in military jargon and

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doctor from Bulgaria

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with uh reading glasses and they were

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holding them at an angle so they could

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get a better View and that's when it

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shot through the the clouds but they

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theirs who was an American Airlines

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pilot

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aside and they asked them uh there were

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there was personnel there asking him if

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by any chance he's seen anything and he

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had no clue what on Earth they're

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outside and and he talked to her he said

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said there were people taking

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photographs videos were being uh made

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and we need to have people come forward

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so he was the one that encouraged her to

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come forward

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and I met her through Above Top Secret

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there from Above Top Secret and asked

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him uh if this person would be kind

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enough to contact me he gave her my

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email address along with a few other

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folks my witness actually spoke to three

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um Dr Haynes also and also uh

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to Linda Moulton Howe

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and I interviewed her three times and

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unfortunately appears that she had she

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had passed away soon after February of

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that year hmm

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video but have they ever surfaced that

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you're aware of some of the photos did

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focus of uh come you know come to the

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Forefront uh some of them were were

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obviously hoaxes and they were and they

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were analyzed the one in particular that

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I think is is genuine is the one that uh

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also the one that Mike my um uh witness

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and her her friend say looks exactly

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like what they had seen and by the way

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what's also interesting about her uh

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analysis is that she was trying to

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consider what was the composition of

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this in other words what sort of

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material was this that she was looking

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at and by the way it was moving in a

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counterclockwise Direction and as as

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what it appeared like but she felt that

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it had it almost had a surface that that

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could have been something more along the

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line of a ceramic so just to give you an

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idea how how her uh her thought pattern

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was moving along

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and I find that interesting

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and just for the person that I always

281
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have to keep in mind there's new people

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listening all the time this happened

283
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back in 2017 what time of the year was

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that this was actually

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um 2007 I mean yeah it was November the

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7th 2006 at approximately 2006. yes

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let's see the no it's hard it's easy to

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get mixed up because it was the seventh

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of November and it was 2006 but it

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didn't break remember it didn't break

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until they started covering it on the

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news and in the uh Tribune which would

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have been January

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so um I didn't even know about it in

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fact the night that that had happened I

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was on the phone with Dave marlar and I

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was we were having a conversation

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because we were supposed to get and we

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did we got together that uh that weekend

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because I was taking over the estate

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director uh position for mufon and he

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was going to be moving out of town so uh

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he was on the phone with me and I got we

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got interrupted uh because Peter

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Davenport was calling Dave

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and he didn't even fill me in

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why he called him you know basically

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yeah he had so much on his mind at the

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time plus at that point

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um uh Davenport was really trying to

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keep it uh keep it quiet because the two

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individuals that contacted him contacted

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them while they were at work and he was

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very con they were very concerned about

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losing their jobs so and then of course

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the point person was going to be Richard

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Haynes dick Haynes so uh Peter talked to

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me I we we talked about it and I got a

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hold of Rodger guard actually Rodger

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called me Mark radiger from kufos you

321
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know we're good very good friends yeah

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and uh he says why aren't we on this why

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aren't we working on this like oh I

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don't even know what all you're talking

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about and he fills me in and I call

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Marley goes yeah well I forgot to tell

327
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you here I was down there by his house

328
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in Edwardsville at the time and he

329
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forgot all about this you know but he

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wasn't filled in

331
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um on all the detail neither were he or

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we until uh the ball started rolling and

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you know halkovich who did file foyers

334
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and so did uh Haynes Dr Haynes and Bill

335
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Puckett in fact he did a most of the the

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filings very good uh filings for lawyers

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so we did get the radar data

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uh didn't things the information didn't

339
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come in as quick as they thought it

340
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would it trickled in and

341
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um as far as people that I spoke to I

342
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spoke to I think it's four people right

343
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now is where I'm up to but I hope to

344
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have some more

345
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all right so I'd like to change gears

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here because uh we wanted to kick around

347
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a couple of Hot Topics tonight and one

348
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of them is uh and this is more or less

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your idea your idea is uh do you feel

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that we're on the brink of making some

351
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sense on the uip UFO topic

352
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or are we just getting LED or pushed

353
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through another Rabbit Hole so to speak

354
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I mean you've seen these things happen

355
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similar over the years where uh there

356
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seems to be uh it seems to be talked

357
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about in more of a public forum and then

358
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bang the condent committee comes along

359
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or something like that happens and says

360
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nothing to see here do you think how do

361
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you feel things are going in general

362
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well and people think well this is was

363
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this all planned is this all I don't

364
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know but I could tell you emotionally

365
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how it what it does it uh when you have

366
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say for instance in January we have this

367
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um this this uh you know back room uh

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closed session of the uh special select

369
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committee on intelligence uh and all of

370
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a sudden they're getting briefings on

371
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from people we know which gave some

372
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incredible briefings

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and all of a sudden we get the report

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out the sanitize report uh from uh from

375
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the uh you know from from this process

376
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and everything and uh the end result is

377
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a matter of what a few weeks later we

378
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have this Chinese balloon being called a

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UFO in the sky

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taking taking

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uh the the media in all sorts of

382
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directions which I thought was a little

383
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bit over the over the edge for what they

384
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should be covering I I thought it was

385
00:18:44,029 --> 00:18:40,799
the coverage was too hype and they kept

386
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on using the term UFO in there and here

387
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my buddy takes a picture of it yeah that

388
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one how on Earth you know I mean

389
00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:52,320
will you talk about synchronicity man

390
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that is just unbelievable for most

391
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people uh have heard me say this but if

392
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,120
you if you're just listening to the show

393
00:19:03,950 --> 00:19:02,400
and didn't listen to the Past show I

394
00:19:06,529 --> 00:19:03,960
happened to get out of a car right

395
00:19:09,049 --> 00:19:06,539
underneath the Chinese balloon I took

396
00:19:12,049 --> 00:19:09,059
this picture and videos and I had

397
00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:12,059
absolutely no idea I was in in Myrtle

398
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:13,860
Beach I had no idea that this thing had

399
00:19:20,090 --> 00:19:17,280
floated over that way it was just

400
00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:20,100
totally totally uh totally shocked

401
00:19:25,490 --> 00:19:23,820
here's another uh looking at it all out

402
00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:25,500
and when it gets over the ocean they're

403
00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:32,510
fighter jets coming to look at it from I

404
00:19:38,090 --> 00:19:34,980
had I had no idea what was going on you

405
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:38,100
know I mean it just it was just a fun

406
00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:39,600
coincidence

407
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:43,320
it's a crazy event and it's crazy but

408
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,799
here we have this going on and were you

409
00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:48,960
shocked when they start calling it using

410
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,740
the terminology UFO or UAP well the um

411
00:19:57,169 --> 00:19:54,480
when the they're shooting down the

412
00:19:59,630 --> 00:19:57,179
others that's when they started calling

413
00:20:01,970 --> 00:19:59,640
them you know they're unidentified they

414
00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:01,980
shot down an unidentified objects and

415
00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:03,900
you know almost like the Roswell thing

416
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:05,880
you know the Army Air Force shoots down

417
00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:08,640
flying disc you know like these little

418
00:20:12,490 --> 00:20:10,679
blips get out there these and I don't

419
00:20:16,610 --> 00:20:12,500
know how many people made their

420
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,620
headlines you know for click bait I

421
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:18,720
don't know but they sure did you know I

422
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:19,679
don't know what the government was

423
00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:22,799
actually saying or not saying they were

424
00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:24,660
but you know it's kind of funny how the

425
00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:26,340
whole we're not hearing much about it or

426
00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:29,220
what they were the others I know one was

427
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:30,780
some type of science project or

428
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,980
something

429
00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:34,559
um which it was kind of a joke that uh

430
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,940
my friend was talking about that's

431
00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:37,679
probably what it was and ends up one of

432
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,720
them was but um

433
00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:41,520
we're not hearing about the other two

434
00:20:45,529 --> 00:20:44,280
that are you know there's really it's

435
00:20:49,810 --> 00:20:45,539
kind of quiet

436
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:49,820
yeah and here we had a we had a uh awac

437
00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:53,760
out over the uh area in fact uh

438
00:20:57,409 --> 00:20:56,340
in Illinois over Lake Michigan into

439
00:21:00,169 --> 00:20:57,419
Huron

440
00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:00,179
and see these are areas where we do have

441
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:03,000
high incidence of UFO activity going

442
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,880
back for the longest period of time

443
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,919
um in fact there's another case that I

444
00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:09,840
hopefully will break

445
00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:12,419
in the year a year or so

446
00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:16,620
um going back to 1971 but we also had U2

447
00:21:21,169 --> 00:21:18,840
planes flying around

448
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:21,179
um there were helicopters in that area

449
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:24,360
where the thing was the object was shot

450
00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:25,200
down

451
00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:29,780
uh Canadian and uh U.S

452
00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:32,580
Coast Guard so the bottom line is there

453
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,260
was a lot of activity going on for a

454
00:21:39,289 --> 00:21:36,960
while for and concern for just a

455
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:39,299
potential balloon there we got a nice

456
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,059
awac yeah and you know we see them every

457
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,600
once in a while not much but then you

458
00:21:52,909 --> 00:21:48,720
too I mean really uh for what is

459
00:21:54,529 --> 00:21:52,919
supposedly a balloon so I I I'm a little

460
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:54,539
concerned about that and they couldn't

461
00:22:01,570 --> 00:21:57,480
find it Well which that in that would be

462
00:22:03,529 --> 00:22:01,580
common if it is a genuine UAP UFO

463
00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:03,539
they're going to be hard to shoot down

464
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:05,820
you could shoot them down and we have

465
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:08,580
the technology that I think can do that

466
00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:11,580
but it's not the easiest thing to do now

467
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:14,460
the one up in Alaska remember that one

468
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,860
the one that's supposedly like a Tic Tac

469
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:18,960
and it's on the ice you can't recover

470
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:20,820
that come on

471
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:23,580
what I mean that one in particular is

472
00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:25,740
kind of bizarre yeah that is if it's on

473
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:27,780
the ice sure you could recover it you

474
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:30,480
would think so yeah I mean they have

475
00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:33,720
these things called helicopters yes it

476
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:35,340
seems like it would be kind of a

477
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,760
no-brainer but yeah yeah so do you think

478
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:40,320
um I I have noticed too and you

479
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,820
mentioned this in the little note that

480
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:43,919
you sent me about how the key players

481
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,380
from the past kind of taken a back seat

482
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:48,000
in some sense to the many new

483
00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:50,700
personalities I agree with that I see I

484
00:22:54,409 --> 00:22:52,500
see a lot of new personalities I have no

485
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:54,419
idea where these people came from and

486
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,740
all of a sudden they're hot on the topic

487
00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:57,360
of UFOs and they're plastered all over

488
00:23:02,930 --> 00:22:59,940
the TV and you know and all that and um

489
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,940
and it's it's it's very interesting I'm

490
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:04,799
really glad that more people are getting

491
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,860
in into the the subject though I mean

492
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,080
that's the really positive part of this

493
00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:12,960
whole thing absolutely you know being in

494
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:14,700
a lot of these people who are who

495
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:17,460
basically have been front and center and

496
00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:20,700
and cornered you know the market per se

497
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:23,240
okay and what would what could be a cat

498
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:26,580
a cottage in a industry in some people's

499
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,100
eyes instead of something a little more

500
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:31,440
dedicated and and I could understand

501
00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:34,020
that but the bottom line is we need more

502
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:37,140
individuals we need more qualified

503
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:40,440
people coming forward as as you know

504
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,260
investigative researchers in addition to

505
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,600
I'm so happy we're getting the

506
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,840
whistleblowers per se and the uh

507
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:50,880
individuals that that have been quiet

508
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:53,940
for years about this the subject matter

509
00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:59,159
what we do we need is to have maybe a

510
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:01,620
long talk with the people who are trying

511
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:06,600
to distract and basically bait Us in the

512
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,840
media uh as you can see Neil Tyson

513
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,480
DeGrasse uh I don't know putting his

514
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:14,880
names and put those three names in a

515
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:18,659
proper order but uh uh he's uh you know

516
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:21,179
a person with three and that's wild

517
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:24,960
um but that's common you know uh the the

518
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:28,559
thing here is he keeps talking about the

519
00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,400
only Navy Pilots which is not the case

520
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:34,679
and then he keeps talking about the

521
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,860
crowdfunding of people with with cell

522
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,080
phones and they're not getting anything

523
00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:43,679
except blurry blurry photographs I want

524
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:47,000
to see blurry because they're moving

525
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:49,799
okay and the weather thing is if they're

526
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:53,360
genuinely using anti-gravidic uh

527
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:57,600
propulsion or technology uh something

528
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:00,360
that's uh affecting the gravity it's

529
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:03,059
it's it's very likely going to affect

530
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,360
the Optics or photons or at least the um

531
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:08,880
uh the atmosphere around it so in other

532
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,659
words

533
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:11,940
no this is what we've been seeing

534
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:15,000
especially with digital format

535
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:17,159
and uh when you get that absolutely

536
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:20,039
perfect photo in a digital format you

537
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:22,440
really have to be uh concerned about

538
00:25:26,409 --> 00:25:24,900
that the quality of the authenticity of

539
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:26,419
that

540
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:34,380
I don't know since when

541
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,220
um

542
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:38,159
people have declared that uh Neil

543
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,340
deGrasse Tyson is a UFO expert but he

544
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,880
seems to be on all of these shows you

545
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:46,679
know just saying that they're you know

546
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:49,320
there's nothing to it basically and yeah

547
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:52,880
it is it is uh uh

548
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,220
it's discouraging because you know he

549
00:26:01,789 --> 00:25:58,860
gets so much press and so you know I

550
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:01,799
mean so much exposure and so many people

551
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,520
listen to what he says and uh uh you

552
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:07,440
know he's not he's not talking like a

553
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,460
scientist

554
00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:10,559
when he's discussing these things he's

555
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:13,100
just uh you know doing this by

556
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:15,720
proclamation as Stanton Friedman used to

557
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:16,679
say

558
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:19,140
and that's not what a scientist would

559
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:21,779
would do uh you've heard a lot of people

560
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,840
in the military for instance some big

561
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:26,460
names and they'd come forward and they

562
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,380
say well we don't know what it is so

563
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,419
we're referring to it as an object at

564
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,120
this point and that's proper if they

565
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,799
don't know what it is and it appears to

566
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:37,020
be an object and heck you know we're

567
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,000
talking NORAD Nora can pick up something

568
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,760
the size of a a golf ball up there in

569
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:44,220
you know in outer space if need be if

570
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,100
they and they do to monitor uh all the

571
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,919
nonsense of the the debris up there we

572
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,659
have so much garbage floating up in

573
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:54,080
outer space from satellites and whatever

574
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,659
but the thing is he he they keep falsely

575
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,000
throwing out this information the other

576
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:02,880
thing is Navy Pilots they always refer

577
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:06,960
to Navy Pilots as if somehow a Navy

578
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,299
pilot is a lesser pilot than some other

579
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:12,240
type of pilot when you reiterate it that

580
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:16,080
much and uh learn a little bit about Top

581
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,039
Gun my friend right okay yeah Navy

582
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,679
Pilots all right Navy and Marine pilots

583
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:25,380
are Kick-Ass get it in your head they're

584
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,880
excellent and fravor is Top Gun okay

585
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,919
he's a graduate from Top Gun I think was

586
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:34,320
an instructor for a while too so I mean

587
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:37,559
these people are not idiots yeah last I

588
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:40,919
heard he never flew an f-1816 or for

589
00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:44,100
that for what I uh whatever I know even

590
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:47,820
a a kite I don't know but uh

591
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,120
um you don't go pushing people around or

592
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:53,760
making people like that sound like they

593
00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:55,080
don't know what they're talking about

594
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:57,539
and the other thing is we're not talking

595
00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:00,840
he never mentions motion these things

596
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:04,400
move at god-awful speeds

597
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:08,760
we have technology that is so Advanced

598
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:11,640
and yet he talks about the web telescope

599
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:14,220
and we can't see any aliens out there

600
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,980
sure all that's time lapse and it's and

601
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:19,260
it's and they're filtered and everything

602
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:21,299
else and they're not looking for aliens

603
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:25,260
they're looking for Galaxies my God how

604
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,820
imbecilic

605
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:29,039
right right speaking of that next week's

606
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:32,340
guest is Carol olsiliac I don't know how

607
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:34,500
to pronounce his name properly but he

608
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,100
was on the uh USS Ronald Reagan uh

609
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:40,200
during uh UFO encounters he's on next

610
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:41,640
week so that should be pretty

611
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:44,100
interesting fantastic

612
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,340
yeah yeah I actually spoke to a guy uh

613
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:50,880
who was on the who had a UFO sighting on

614
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,700
the first uh nuclear uh submarine of

615
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:56,400
course or not submarine but uh aircraft

616
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,940
carrier which was the um uh of all

617
00:29:01,970 --> 00:29:01,200
things

618
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:01,980
um

619
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:05,940
a night when it was it 1959 or 60

620
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,460
I think it was uh the Enterprise what

621
00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:10,320
I'm trying to think the year it was um

622
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,600
it was commission I think it was 59 or

623
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:15,600
60. it came back from its World cruise I

624
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:18,360
know in 62 because I was there in

625
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,179
Seattle on the deck uh when they had

626
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:23,520
their big party it came back from their

627
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,760
world cruise but uh this gentleman said

628
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:29,760
when he was out on the deck he had seen

629
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:31,260
something

630
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:34,860
back at the ship so he goes back and

631
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,580
looks and lower than the ship itself

632
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:40,799
right above the water line basically

633
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:43,919
trailing them was a UFO and and this

634
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:46,260
wasn't the first time it had been a

635
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:49,140
common occurrence so back to paying

636
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:52,020
attention to what type of objects or

637
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,659
ships or locations anything with a

638
00:29:59,690 --> 00:29:56,880
nuclear signature

639
00:30:03,289 --> 00:29:59,700
um you know here's something of Interest

640
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:03,299
or Peak star curiosity not balloons I'm

641
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:10,430
oh okay I want to I want to pop this

642
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:12,120
opinion up here

643
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:13,980
um ufology has made no progress since

644
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:15,240
seven years shouldn't there be a

645
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,179
discussion about methodology what what

646
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:20,240
type of methodology

647
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:22,980
could be done

648
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,080
in favor of

649
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:27,600
making progress you know there are

650
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:29,100
people out there trying to do scientific

651
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:31,380
equipment there's several people that

652
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:34,140
are engaged in that even um Avi Loeb and

653
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:36,779
the uh Galileo project and

654
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,059
um you know Mark dantonios and has

655
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,520
something going on and there's there's

656
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:43,320
several more

657
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:44,700
um so

658
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:47,159
um and then there's that crowd-sourced

659
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,320
situation now I gotta have Alejandro

660
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,360
Rojas back on soon he's involved in

661
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:53,520
something so I mean there's so much out

662
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,320
there I mean we are I think we are

663
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,360
trying to change things in the

664
00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:59,340
technology that we have

665
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:01,620
um to gear it toward discovering more

666
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:03,539
and more what these things are what do

667
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:04,500
you think Sam

668
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:07,980
well after 70 years we we have more than

669
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,620
enough anecdotal evidence and by the way

670
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,779
the vast majority of reports we get you

671
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:15,179
know 90 some percent of what we get is

672
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:18,899
identified and uh I'm I'm fortunate to

673
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:22,760
be uh part of the uh photo analysis team

674
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,980
and uh uh there are four of us and

675
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:27,539
there's going to be more and of course

676
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,580
Marx uh been involved for ages and so we

677
00:31:36,669 --> 00:31:34,440
really tear this stuff apart and of

678
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:36,679
course what we see is more ifos

679
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:39,059
misidentifications of of many different

680
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,419
things and gosh you know we have more

681
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,880
objects being put in the sky these star

682
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:47,279
links Etc but as far as from a

683
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,220
scientific uh point of view this is

684
00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:53,039
something I've been as you know for ages

685
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:56,120
pushing and pushing the scientific uh

686
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:58,980
method uh or creating a scientific

687
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:02,159
method bringing ufology into the world

688
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:05,340
of being something recognized as science

689
00:32:12,610 --> 00:32:09,360
not pseudo in any which way or form but

690
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:12,620
genuinely science and

691
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,179
this is something that that needs to be

692
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,240
addressed and is being addressed uh but

693
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:20,880
in in many instances it just remains

694
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,980
entertainment unfortunately

695
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:25,200
and there's a comfort level in that and

696
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:28,200
I think that plays into the hand of uh

697
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:30,299
keeping this that day from people

698
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:33,059
believe me that is a huge component of

699
00:32:35,529 --> 00:32:34,260
it

700
00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:35,539
um

701
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,940
I you were talking earlier about you

702
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,279
know the people that we know were

703
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:43,919
interviewed and testified or interview

704
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:46,140
interviewed at least

705
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,919
um by the Pentagon and uh Bob Salas is

706
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:52,500
one of those people about the Maelstrom

707
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,279
Air Force Base case and uh I I I'm

708
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,320
really happy to hear because you know

709
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:01,020
when they last year when they had that

710
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:05,220
uh Congressional meeting about UAP

711
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:07,380
they weren't the the board that was

712
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:10,140
working on that they had no idea of

713
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:13,380
about any of these nuclear incidents in

714
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:15,779
the past and I mean if that's not if

715
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:19,559
that's not uh you know security uh you

716
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:20,519
know

717
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,220
that is that that is the peak that is

718
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:28,080
the highest degree of of National

719
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:31,500
Security when it comes to uh you know

720
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,399
our Arsenal being compromised and not

721
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:37,919
just our airspace like O'Hare was a

722
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:39,960
compromise of Class B airspace that's

723
00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:42,360
frightening enough you know we the the

724
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:46,740
concern of uh a safety of flight is huge

725
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:49,620
and this has always been a concern

726
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:53,279
um I've dealt with enough of ATC uh

727
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:54,600
Personnel in fact one of my

728
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,480
investigators was an ATC uh retired

729
00:34:03,409 --> 00:33:59,519
personnel and he had a sighting in

730
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:03,419
Puerto Rico that was incredible and that

731
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,440
was viewed by uh multiple members of of

732
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,619
his uh staff

733
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,599
so I mean this was

734
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:15,119
this was something that inspired him so

735
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,220
we have safety of flight National

736
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:20,159
Security in the sense of from a military

737
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:23,700
point of view and uh nuclear arsenals

738
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:25,859
and that's where I hope to if I have

739
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,500
enough courage and do it properly bring

740
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,320
something out within the course of a

741
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:32,760
year or two

742
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:34,740
um as long as I don't get whacked in the

743
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,260
process would be along the lines of

744
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:40,320
something really important

745
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:44,520
um is this is a very serious matter and

746
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:47,099
I think people have to realize these

747
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:48,839
events do take place

748
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,720
and as far as getting back to the

749
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:53,639
science you know

750
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:56,460
um we hear so many of these so-called

751
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,339
Skeptics and they're they're cynics that

752
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:02,400
to be skepticals fine but most of these

753
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:03,780
people are cynics

754
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,680
and uh uh playing into the hand of of uh

755
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:09,599
keeping this at Bay from the General

756
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:10,680
Public

757
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:13,380
but uh as far as physical trace evidence

758
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,480
and they want an ashtray well we have a

759
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:17,760
hell of a lot more than ashtrays there

760
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:20,040
are some 6 000 physical trace evidence

761
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:24,300
cases and uh that information needs to

762
00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:28,560
go before the uh select committee uh on

763
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:32,300
intelligence for Congress

764
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:36,720
right uh the last week I had uh Julie

765
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:40,020
Olson on who had you know supposed some

766
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:44,460
type of evidence that uh appeared where

767
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:46,980
she saw these things shoot out of uh a

768
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,359
UFO

769
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:50,940
um and she has that object and I've been

770
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,220
trying there's no follow-up yet for the

771
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,160
listeners but I've been trying to uh get

772
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,440
a hold of Gary Nolan on that particular

773
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:00,660
thing and not that he's a metallurgist

774
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:04,020
it's just that he's a safe place to get

775
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:06,900
this thing started and haven't looked at

776
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:10,079
yes now I've had uh here we may recall

777
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:14,579
the um uh the case I had or the car they

778
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,180
got they made there's been a few shows

779
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:20,940
on it or the side of the car looked like

780
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:23,820
it was hit by so yeah yeah okay it's

781
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:26,700
called the Lake Cook uh car incident

782
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,220
and that was back in November it was

783
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:32,720
November the 8th I believe of

784
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,020
2008 that it took place anyways

785
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:39,599
um the evidence there was brought to a

786
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:42,359
lab and somebody came in saying that

787
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:45,900
they were to retrieve it and used and

788
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:47,880
supposed to have some other tests there

789
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:49,859
was nobody supposed to be in there they

790
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,160
took that evidence then when I went to

791
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,500
retreat the side of the car that was

792
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:57,680
available to me

793
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:00,599
uh I went there and the manager said it

794
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,300
was in the back in the in the shop and

795
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:05,820
that they would bring it up there uh he

796
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:09,540
came back looking very puzzled and um

797
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,359
this was back there for a while and he

798
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:14,820
says uh well it's not there I go what do

799
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:16,680
you mean it's not there and he says I

800
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,500
can't really discuss this anymore a

801
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:21,839
gentleman came in here said that he was

802
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:25,859
you and it was given to them and that's

803
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:27,780
it it's gone

804
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:32,640
so I mean even if you give evidence to

805
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:37,380
somebody doesn't mean it's going to be a

806
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:39,000
um

807
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:41,220
it's going to be looked at unless they

808
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:43,500
can assure it some way or form at the

809
00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:46,020
degree of security that they aren't

810
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,820
going to be threatened or compromised

811
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,800
or that it's going to be lifted one way

812
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:54,720
or another with without their knowledge

813
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,520
replaced

814
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,280
hmm so in that particular case did the

815
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:01,800
car's driver have any health effects

816
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:04,619
no health effects but I there is and I

817
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:07,380
love that question because her mental

818
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,380
state was really why in the first place

819
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:13,920
the case end up in my lap and that the

820
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:16,560
case was from narcat was from excuse me

821
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,099
new Fork uh Peter Davenport received the

822
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,220
case the mother of this this young lady

823
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,640
called because she thought it was

824
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,000
something potentially demonic

825
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,400
um what was very interesting is that

826
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:34,440
side of the car was all if you took a

827
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:35,400
beer can

828
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,320
and have it all collapse like that

829
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:42,480
that's what it looked like there was no

830
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:46,800
transfer the the sheen of the paint was

831
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:50,460
dull only in that area the

832
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,000
um the the driver's side mirror

833
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,780
had been broken off she heard that when

834
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,880
she was driving and her car was moved to

835
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:01,560
the center lane she couldn't figure out

836
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,740
what happened she heard the sound and

837
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:06,480
and she looked for in the rearview

838
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,099
mirror there was no rear view mirror she

839
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:10,800
pulls over the side a side street and

840
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,540
looks on the whole side of the car is

841
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:16,079
all smashed in and the and the the

842
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:18,660
mirrors hanging there with the back of

843
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:19,859
it broken

844
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,579
so mind you something was uh strong

845
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:25,619
enough and powerful enough and fast

846
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:29,339
enough to take and move that mirror into

847
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,040
the a-pillar which is which surrounds

848
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:35,280
your windshield it hit the a pillar left

849
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:38,280
a deep indentation in there now that's

850
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,339
the strongest part of the of the the car

851
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,560
it's the roll cage and the car yeah if

852
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:45,480
the car rolls on its roof that supports

853
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:48,660
it correct and it left this huge

854
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:51,480
indentation by plastic well plastic

855
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:54,599
isn't as strong as metal so to increase

856
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,920
that you have to increase velocity to

857
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,140
equal matter the the strength of the

858
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:03,780
matter so the velocity had been pretty

859
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,540
intense and she was driving some 40

860
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:08,640
miles an hour when this happened

861
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:10,920
uh the police officer picked it up and

862
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,660
he kept on Flipping it over and

863
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,400
scratching his head trying to figure out

864
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:16,560
how could this happen and the Glass

865
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,119
isn't even broken

866
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:21,119
not even a scratch there was no transfer

867
00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:24,359
anywheres on that car showing a type of

868
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:25,560
impact

869
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:28,500
there was nothing seen so from my point

870
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:31,920
of view I couldn't say it was a UFO all

871
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,160
I could say is something unseen uh by

872
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:37,980
the witness did transpire there was

873
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,119
cause and effect by something and uh I

874
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,579
could just leave it like that

875
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,680
um something weird transpired but I

876
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,540
can't say it was a UFO

877
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,480
it was some sort of energy there was

878
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,760
cause and effect

879
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,579
here's a uh interesting

880
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:58,500
um question I don't know about public

881
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,079
debates we've tried to get them together

882
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:03,720
one of them was actually with Neil

883
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:06,900
deGrasse Tyson someone wanted to to uh

884
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,500
debate him but um I don't know how much

885
00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:12,480
progress the debates in the past have

886
00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:15,240
made before you know I remember Stanton

887
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:24,410
had a debate I think there was uh uh

888
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:27,720
Philip Glass and someone else had a

889
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:31,020
debate I don't know if they moved seem

890
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:33,900
to move things forward uh you know I

891
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:35,940
don't know I think what would really

892
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,740
move things forward as if we were

893
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:40,079
allowed to bring forth the information

894
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,020
that is kept at Bay

895
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:45,000
that would just

896
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,780
put it to just finish it but that's not

897
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:50,640
going to happen because this is above

898
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:53,700
and beyond you could see just in the way

899
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:56,760
things have been handled uh recently it

900
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,540
it is above and beyond uh top secret and

901
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:03,119
it is a matter of National Security and

902
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,180
has always been more so you remember

903
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:08,760
understand something National Security

904
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,579
is the preservation of status quoil the

905
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,680
powers that are are the first time in

906
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,560
history able to Monitor and maintain

907
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,680
that position so why would they forfeit

908
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:21,720
it and the other thing is any sort of

909
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:24,839
Revelation to anything other that that

910
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,480
may be a threat to a um let's say a

911
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,880
paradigm shift which is really going to

912
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,260
shake things up

913
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:36,780
I think this is testing the water in

914
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,599
some way uh you have these objects are

915
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,240
being seen and they were supposedly shot

916
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:45,359
down they're in the news for a while yes

917
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:47,460
there's a lot of noise talk you know

918
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:49,740
talking about it nobody jumped off a

919
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:52,859
bridge or out of a you know a 20 store

920
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:56,940
building the market didn't collapse so

921
00:43:03,130 --> 00:42:59,160
you know it isn't fear that's driving

922
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:03,140
this there's something else

923
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:06,839
right right well it'll be interesting to

924
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,800
see as time goes on you know what what

925
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:13,500
will happen you know I I don't know you

926
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:14,819
know I have I have mixed feelings about

927
00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:17,640
it all I have mixed feelings that

928
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,599
um

929
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:20,640
I'd like to see that we're going to make

930
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,260
some progress with the government

931
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:24,839
involved and looking into these things I

932
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:27,660
just don't know what the transparency is

933
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:30,060
going to be especially at a point if

934
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:31,380
they discover

935
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:34,680
actually discover things and find out

936
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:37,800
things that we don't know at this point

937
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,240
um what we're actually going to learn

938
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,400
about it because they could put in about

939
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:43,740
anything under the umbrella of national

940
00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:46,740
security at this point I think if we

941
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:48,599
were to make a prediction as far as

942
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:50,520
what's going to happen we're going to

943
00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:54,060
see the release of of new technology

944
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:57,619
in the world of what may be perceived as

945
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:01,319
uaps or UFOs advancements

946
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:04,140
and that's going to come forward I think

947
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:07,859
slowly but surely and the reason why is

948
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:10,440
I don't think it's just

949
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:10,980
um

950
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,579
our our let's say our contractors that

951
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:17,460
have made advancements but also other

952
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:21,119
countries uh made advancements now we

953
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:23,160
keep hearing I just heard the other day

954
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,619
Eric Weinstein talk about that there's

955
00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:28,319
no way this technology could be you know

956
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:30,980
even closely you know made

957
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:34,079
here on Earth from what he understands

958
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:37,020
of of physics and His Brilliant man uh

959
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,099
mathematical physicists and others I

960
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,960
don't know if that's the case in point I

961
00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:45,240
have a very strong more than a strong

962
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:47,339
feeling I have

963
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,339
a good inkling that this technology or a

964
00:44:56,170 --> 00:44:53,040
percentage of or something similar has

965
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:56,180
been in our grisp or the grips of

966
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:02,329
right right well

967
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:03,599
um you know they're not

968
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:04,980
the

969
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:07,980
um when you hear like a Skeptics a

970
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:09,900
skeptic's version of what these things

971
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,040
are that we're seeing today they always

972
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:16,560
have amnesia or do not know about what

973
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,020
has been seen in the past you know many

974
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:22,319
decades ago with a similar you know

975
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,560
activity similar you know responses and

976
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,319
and travel and and uh you know the 90

977
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:30,720
degree angles at five thousand miles an

978
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:31,619
hour

979
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,180
um you know that type of thing have been

980
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:35,940
spotted since the 60s you know 50s

981
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:38,700
actually so it's uh

982
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:41,640
it they they never want to keep that you

983
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,359
know uh when they're debating or they're

984
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,560
out there and they're they're talking

985
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:48,900
about that it has to be our technology

986
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,180
or on here on Earth

987
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:53,640
um you know that's that's what that no

988
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:55,859
one seems to confront them on that part

989
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,859
of it yeah the historical and people ask

990
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:00,180
me all the time what is the best

991
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,660
evidence so if Dr Richard there if I

992
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:06,240
could we're in a debate I would say the

993
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,280
best evidence is the historical

994
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:11,280
perspective it can't be erased and the

995
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:13,020
historical perspective what I'm talking

996
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:16,800
about precedes anything that is that is

997
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:20,819
the uh we considered the manic uh

998
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,240
the the period of time or Machinery was

999
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:26,220
even involved I'm talking all the way

1000
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,880
back to the 1500s and well beyond that

1001
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:32,880
there are depictions of things on cave

1002
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:35,579
drawings again their depictions that

1003
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:38,280
resemble and possibly uh represent

1004
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:40,440
something similar to this but we don't

1005
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:42,780
know the thing is you can't discount

1006
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,020
that you can't say that's evidence but

1007
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:49,440
it's something there now in the 15th

1008
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,380
century you can and even earlier than

1009
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:55,079
that a very good book wanders in the Sky

1010
00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:59,700
by Scott albeck and and Jacques valet if

1011
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:01,319
you get your hands on that you read

1012
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:03,660
those historical perspective historical

1013
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:07,440
accounts it gives you a perspective on

1014
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,180
this phenomena that it has a uh it has

1015
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:14,460
been around long enough that it has a

1016
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:17,880
pedigree of being genuine and it cannot

1017
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,480
be dismissed so are we looking at the

1018
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:24,000
same thing you betcha it may be a little

1019
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,740
bit different it's just different eyes

1020
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:27,660
and different ways of saying the same

1021
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:32,160
thing again Naman glaciers uh you know

1022
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:35,460
it's flaming chariots it's uh

1023
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,240
um one thing or another UFOs UAP

1024
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:41,280
um ghost ships

1025
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:45,060
um the area the Airship phenomena of a

1026
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:47,880
very good very good series of uh studies

1027
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:52,680
there the 1896 and 97 much of those 1500

1028
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,839
reports when you read them and you get

1029
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,300
past the bunk there are there was Goofy

1030
00:48:02,510 --> 00:47:59,400
stuff going on but you read those

1031
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:02,520
reports and you see that they do match

1032
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:05,880
the characteristics and and of things

1033
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:08,339
that have been seen uh you know

1034
00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:11,819
throughout history and currently so uh

1035
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,099
no the bottom line is the historical

1036
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:16,800
perspective cannot be dismissed and I'm

1037
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:19,319
tired of hearing that all this phenomena

1038
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,119
took place and 19 1947

1039
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:26,400
you know by Kenneth Arnold and that was

1040
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:31,260
it that's the birth of uh of the UFO era

1041
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,540
call it whatever you want this stuff's

1042
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:36,480
been around since the Advent of human

1043
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:39,420
wreck recorded history this is a really

1044
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,980
fun thing Sam I don't know if you've

1045
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:43,680
ever seen this but this is the uh Simon

1046
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:47,000
Perkins Diary of

1047
00:48:53,450 --> 00:48:51,000
1796. this is uh October 12th and they

1048
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:53,460
talk about basically some ships in the

1049
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:57,720
sky uh people on them you know and uh

1050
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,020
and and in this description here it will

1051
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,599
it'll go deep into uh what they look

1052
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,800
like

1053
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:07,380
um and it wasn't of the imagination it

1054
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,819
was saying here

1055
00:49:13,329 --> 00:49:11,040
um but anyway it's a great uh article

1056
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:13,339
anyone can look that up uh Perkins diary

1057
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,420
October 12 1796 uh UFO that's uh you can

1058
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:20,099
find that online which I think is

1059
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,859
fascinating it is it is yeah the thing

1060
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:24,960
is you stop what it would disturb I

1061
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:25,619
think

1062
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:27,060
uh

1063
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:28,980
I think Stephen Greer came up with a

1064
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,560
great line it said the disclosure of

1065
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,420
this the Revelation you know as far as

1066
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,760
that goes call it whatever you want is

1067
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:37,980
only going to change everything and I

1068
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:41,400
think that is a problem if you can't

1069
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:43,500
maintain the control

1070
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:46,619
we have a problem and that's why I think

1071
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:48,300
these people that are showing up today

1072
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:51,180
in this field are very manageable

1073
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,880
because they have something at stake to

1074
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:55,740
lose and if you have something to lose

1075
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:59,099
you can be managed hmm

1076
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:01,319
yeah well

1077
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,200
um I don't I don't know what what do you

1078
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,140
think would change if all of a sudden

1079
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,180
well just to let you know we're about

1080
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:10,800
four minutes we'll have about four

1081
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,560
minutes left so um it went really fast

1082
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:15,839
as usual so what do you think would

1083
00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:18,119
change like if all of a sudden tomorrow

1084
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:21,780
there was uh and a huge amount of

1085
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:24,180
evidence that could not be denied that

1086
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:26,300
we are being visited by

1087
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,740
extraterrestrials or even if it was

1088
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:30,480
interdimensional or something like that

1089
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:32,940
but anyway what do you think would

1090
00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:34,740
change if we had so much evidence that

1091
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,420
couldn't be denied

1092
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,359
uh very little quite honestly as far as

1093
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,760
the the individual themselves very

1094
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:44,040
little the conversations would be

1095
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,260
interesting at the coffee you know the

1096
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:49,140
coffee uh uh uh getting coffee at your

1097
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,619
at work but beyond that I think it would

1098
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:55,380
take so it would take some time to set

1099
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:58,260
in and then things are going to react it

1100
00:51:04,089 --> 00:51:01,140
that definitely will react I would say

1101
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:04,099
the the biggest group would be Academia

1102
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:06,900
they would have the hardest part because

1103
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:09,420
all of a sudden their Eiffel Towers have

1104
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:12,119
been shaken that there's something out

1105
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:15,420
there that is smarter than than them and

1106
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,140
our science needs to be uh rethought you

1107
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:22,559
know that Newtonian physics isn't it

1108
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:25,319
isn't everything and that uh

1109
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:28,619
you know the bottom line is it's a lot

1110
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:30,599
greater than what we could ever imagine

1111
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:32,940
and that's all right what's wrong with

1112
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:33,960
that

1113
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:43,980
the average person is going to move on

1114
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:46,140
to their daily activities because they

1115
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:49,020
everyone's looking to survive and you

1116
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,240
know and and you know about the next

1117
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,819
paycheck or whatever it is

1118
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:55,680
um you know I think that things would

1119
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,800
change but not in a point where you know

1120
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:01,020
it's going to disrupt the world I don't

1121
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:02,520
believe

1122
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:03,200
um

1123
00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:07,020
unless there was a problem unless these

1124
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:09,780
were mean-spirited beings in some way

1125
00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:13,140
that Were Somehow threatening but um if

1126
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,220
so

1127
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:15,839
you know that certainly would change

1128
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:18,300
everything but I think it was just the

1129
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,000
fact that we are being visited and these

1130
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:23,040
are actually beings from say another

1131
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,319
planet something like that and we don't

1132
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,640
know and we don't know where they're

1133
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:29,040
from interdimensional you know the time

1134
00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,660
there's so many different things and

1135
00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:32,700
years ago I always told you it was it's

1136
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,619
a multiplicity of phenomenon we're

1137
00:52:39,370 --> 00:52:36,720
running short on time here and I know

1138
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:39,380
that this discussion can go on for hours

1139
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:42,180
but uh I'd like to close up here in my

1140
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:43,680
end just say thank you very much for

1141
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,200
having me back on I love your audience I

1142
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:48,240
love being on talking with my friend

1143
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:51,180
here about the subject of uh that

1144
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,440
occupies 99 of my time yeah yeah a lot

1145
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:57,599
of my time as well thank you Sam so much

1146
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:59,160
it's always been it's always a pleasure

1147
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:00,780
you're a good friend and thank you for

1148
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:03,300
coming on again you're most welcome all

1149
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,160
right bye

1150
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,200
all right everyone so that's it for the

1151
00:53:14,049 --> 00:53:10,319
show thank you so much for tuning in uh

1152
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,059
next week we have uh Carl oswiss

1153
00:53:18,049 --> 00:53:16,680
I don't know how exactly how to

1154
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:18,059
pronounce his last name I'm gonna find

1155
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:22,440
out and uh he is someone that was on the

1156
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:26,420
uh USS Ronald Reagan I believe it was uh

1157
00:53:32,890 --> 00:53:30,540
2000 it's in the 2000s when they had uh

1158
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:32,900
their UFO encounters and that's plural

1159
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:35,579
and uh so we'll be talking to him about

1160
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:38,520
that and a lot more thank you all

1161
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:40,200
um and remember to keep your eyes to the

1162
00:53:42,830 --> 00:53:40,940
sky

1163
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:42,840
thank you